Interview With Frank McGee, Creator of “A Track for the World”

Frank McGee has constructed a distinguished profession as a author and journalist over half a century. Within the tumultuous Sixties he coated tales as far afield as Brazil, Indonesia, and Viet Nam. As managing editor of “Tempo” journal, a recent of “Life, Look, and Vacation,” he labored with thought leaders from all over the world.

Through the Seventies, McGee launched and edited “New Worlds,” the signature journal of California’s Orange Coast. The College of California at Irvine tapped him to write down the espresso desk ebook commemorating the varsity’s first twenty-five years. Within the ’80s and ’90s, he authored and edited books on quite a lot of matters that have been revealed in a dozen languages. In the present day, he lives along with his spouse in Tucson, Arizona.

Tyler: Thanks, Frank, for becoming a member of me. You are right here immediately to inform us about your new ebook “A Track for the World” which tells the story of how the Colwell Brothers and Herb Allen used music to deliver peace and diplomacy to the world, notably via the group, Up with Individuals. To start, will you inform our readers a bit of bit about the way it started?

Frank: Glad to, Tyler. Up with Individuals began in a manner that shocked everybody on the time. It was born throughout the Sixties to offer a voice to youth wanting to have a say in constructing the long run. There is a chapter within the ebook about that. The Up with Individuals present was launched in embryo in 1965 at a convention for younger management on an island within the Nice Lakes. It advanced that summer time in performances from a showboat touring native harbors, and inside weeks, actually, it was in orbit all over the world. Nobody anticipated that to occur, least of all of the Colwell Brothers and Herb Allen, who initially simply wished to supply a platform for the idealism and creativity of the younger individuals attending the convention. You would possibly say that Up with Individuals was born via a ardour for change.

Home and international audiences got here to know the Colwells and Allen within the following a long time via Up with Individuals’s 4 Tremendous Bowl Halftime Reveals. A number of casts had toured on each continent and throughout the U.S. and Canada. In America’s Bicentennial 12 months, 1976, they performed in 771 U.S. cities to dwell audiences totaling 3.9 million. That 12 months they actually invented the fashionable Tremendous Bowl halftime format when the NFL invited them to carry out. The primary chapter of “A Track for the World” opens with that occasion. I’ve to say (talking modestly because the writer!) that it is a fairly dramatic story. In 1980 I had the privilege of being a discipline photographer throughout their efficiency at Tremendous Bowl XIV within the Rose Bowl.

Tyler: Frank, I perceive you could have been pals with the Colwells and Allen for 50 years. Would you inform us a bit of bit about that friendship and the way it developed?

Frank: That is half a century, Tyler! I first met them of their teenagers. I hadn’t superior a lot past that myself. Allen was acknowledged as a musical genius from his youth, a baby prodigy. In his hometown of Seattle he was well-known as a wizard on the xylophone. He skilled beneath one of the best classical piano instructors within the Northwest and was enrolled to enter the Oberlin College of Music, however his ardour in his teenagers was his dance band, Herbie Allen and His Orchestra. Herb was a junior in highschool once we met. I used to be then working with Ethical Re-Armament (MRA), a global volunteer group targeted on growing accountable leaders throughout a broad spectrum of society. Herb immediately responded to the target. Increasingly I’ve come to understand the implications of the readiness of younger artists like Herb and the Colwells to interact in a function that gave relevance and which means to their abilities.

The Colwell Brothers have been already nation music stars when our paths crossed in Southern California. They have been regulars on NBC’s Tex Williams tv present, broadcasting weekly from Orange County’s Knott’s Berry Farm, which was America’s first theme park (Disneyland opened later simply up the street). The Brothers, aged 19, 17, and 15, have been the youngest group beneath contract with a serious label, Columbia Information.

I used to be within the solid of a Western musical present then, and somebody bought them tickets for the Hollywood premiere. Mockingly, the present was about brothers who have been feuding over water rights. “A Track for the World” tells the gorgeous wonderful story of what occurred throughout the subsequent few months; I say wonderful as a result of in little greater than a 12 months they have been giving their first efficiency in a language aside from their very own. It was in Switzerland, once they sang in French for Robert Schumann, the previous international minister of France and a founding father of the European Union. Through the subsequent a long time they’d write and sing in 37 languages and dialects, with assist from the locals, after all. All of them converse Italian. Herb Allen, who labored for years in Italy, speaks it like a local. There’s an incident within the ebook about Allen discovering a machine gun beneath his mattress when he was staying with the household of Bruno, a younger communist he had come to know: “What’s worrying you?’ Bruno requested Herb when he “occurred” to say his discovery. “All of us have machine weapons right here. There’s one in each condo within the block.”

Tyler: Frank, why did you determine to write down “A Track for the World?”

Frank: I do not wish to sound unusual about this, however I feel writing the ebook was determined for me. Within the spring of 2003 I used to be in a gathering of very long time associates who met every now and then to resume friendships and discuss what was taking place in our worlds. A probation legal professional from Oakland stated that younger individuals in her metropolis have been being confronted with unimaginable conditions daily, and desperately wanted hope. “There ought to to be a ebook in regards to the Colwells and Herb,” she declared.

I am not kidding once I say the thought hit me with an nearly electrical jolt that I used to be meant to write down it. My spouse, Helen, who has been my accomplice in inventive ventures for half a century, felt the identical impulse. And so did my buddy John Ruffin, who was moderating our dialogue that day. John’s firm, Many Roads Publishing, would ultimately produce the ebook, with startup monetary assist from greater than 100 individuals from internationally who believed this story needed to be instructed.

Tyler: That is an exquisite story, Frank. Clearly, musicians have the facility to be an enormous affect on younger individuals, each constructive and detrimental. Do you assume Up With Individuals is ready to attain younger individuals immediately and what’s their message to youth?

Frank: On the finish of Up with Individuals reveals, there are at all times younger individuals within the viewers who apply to journey with the solid. Generally they’re too younger to qualify, generally too outdated, however the aspect that reaches individuals most, I feel, is a function that is vital. In fact the present alone is an enormous attraction, however within the setting of “Bringing the World Collectively,” it appears to supply a solution to that ubiquitous query, “What can one individual do?”

Tyler: I perceive these artists traveled a terrific deal and witnessed historical past within the making in a number of nations. Would you give us an instance of probably the most attention-grabbing occasions they witnessed or participated in?

Frank: How about two? Severely, there are a lot of exceptional events described within the ebook, as an illustration, being the primary worldwide musical performers in China after the demise of the notorious “Gang of 4;” or taking the primary present to Russia after the Chilly Battle, even earlier than the Berlin Wall got here down. However listed below are two:

In 1957, Japanese Prime Minister Nobusuke Kishi was about to embark on a grueling tour of Southeast Asia by which he would apologize to Pacific nations for atrocities Japan had dedicated throughout World Battle II. The Colwells and people they labored with, a few of whom have been parliamentarians, had been dialoguing with Kishi for months, and at his official residence on the evening of the departure, they have been invited to current your entire ship off program for the prime minister, his cupboard ministers, and excessive authorities officers. Their pals spoke and the Colwells sang, with particular songs written in Japanese for the event. The final sound Kishi heard that night as he left for the airport was the music of three younger Individuals, in western costume, singing to him in his personal language.

Two years later the Colwell Brothers have been within the Congo, immediately referred to as Zaire, the place they sang on the official celebration occasions when the nation gained its independence. The Congo is the scale of Western Europe! Throughout an intense and turbulent 12 months they remained working within the nation, residing via riot, revolution, and a re-invasion by troops of the Congo’s former Belgian occupiers, after which U.N. intervention. President Lumumba was assassinated throughout that 12 months. With a global workforce the Colwells visited each province within the nation, assembly with tribal chiefs within the villages, singing to crowds in stadiums, to Congolese army and peacekeeping U.N. forces in open-air live shows, and performing for nationwide leaders from all events within the nation’s capital of Leopoldville. Within the wet season they crossed swollen rivers with their van perched atop ferries constructed of planks laid over dugout canoes mounted aspect to aspect. The afternoon the military seized management of the nation in a coup, the Congo was fully with out cellphone or telegraph communication with the surface world. An hour after midnight that evening the brothers led journalists to a distant village that they had visited months earlier on the Congo River, the place the reporters might rent villagers and noiselessly slip out into the present in dugout canoes to get the information out to the world. Throughout that 12 months, with their worldwide teammates, the Colwells made greater than 400 broadcasts on Radio Congo, the nation’s sole technique of communication, applications the auxiliary bishop of Leopoldville referred to as “a voice of sanity to the nation.”

Tyler: Wow, that’s dedication. What do you assume actually motivates the Colwells and Herb Allen to take these sorts of dangers?

Frank: That is onerous to reply, for me at the very least, with out seeming to cite from a press launch. I’ve seen the grit, sweat, and sacrifice concerned. They may have turned away a thousand instances from the trail they’d chosen. However they believed one thing lasting might be achieved, and that they have been meant to offer their time and abilities to it. I do not assume that they had the slightest thought once they set out on this journey the place it will take them, or ask of them.

Tyler: Frank, when different teams like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones have been making big hits and possibly tons of cash within the Sixties and past, why did Up with Individuals focus as an alternative on touring the globe and visiting nations in disaster?

Frank: I feel that boils right down to “cause for being.” I’ve little doubt that the 20,000 younger individuals who’ve taken half in Up with Individuals throughout its first forty years would admire tons of cash! And I do know Herb and the Brothers would not object!

However to get the reply to your query you must take a look at the alternatives they made greater than a dozen years earlier than Up with Individuals was even a gleam in anybody’s eye. Take a look at the again cowl of the ebook, which has some paragraphs beneath the heading, “The Energy of Music.” There is a line there that claims, “They actually walked away from their childhoods, consolation, careers, and family members, placing all the things on the road for one thing they believed. They believed they may change the world.”

Tyler: Why do you assume “Up with Individuals” has been so profitable?

Frank: Much more than the leisure of the Up with Individuals present, I feel it strikes a chord within the consciousness of individuals. All of us wish to know there may be hope for the long run. We would all prefer to take part by some means in creating it. To see younger individuals dedicating themselves to that function is each a problem and an inspiration. The present itself can be a present window. What’s inside the shop is the encouragement, the mild persuasion, and presumably even a bit of provocation to become involved within the lifetime of your neighborhood, to volunteer with others who work to make a distinction.

Tyler: For readers unfamiliar with the group, what are among the songs they may acknowledge?

Frank: Individuals might know “The place the Roads Come Collectively,” by Paul Colwell. It is a poignant and transferring ballad about who we’re:

None of us is born the identical,

We do not know why

It is the way in which we got here,

Each coronary heart beats a bit of in a different way,

Every soul is free to seek out its manner,

Like a river that winds it option to the ocean.

There are a lot of roads to go,

And so they go by many names,

They do not all go the identical manner,

However they get there all the identical.

And I’ve a feelin’

That we’ll meet some day

The place the roads come collectively

Up the way in which.

In case you lived within the Congo, you’d probably be aware of the Colwell Brothers’ “Vive le Congo,” which grew to become one thing like a second nationwide anthem and was performed on Radio Congo for years.

And naturally, “Up with Individuals” is a tune identified all over the world. CDs of the Phrases and Music of Paul Colwell will quickly be accessible at

Tyler: Would you inform us a bit of bit in regards to the song-writing facet of the group? Who writes the music and who writes the lyrics? The place do they get their concepts, and the way does all of it come collectively so the music will be carried out?

Frank: Paul Colwell, as I discussed, wrote lots of the songs carried out in early reveals. He usually had collaborators, continuously Herb Allen, who was listed as coauthor. There is a chapter within the ebook titled, “Start of a Phenomenon,” in regards to the songwriters, arrangers, and producers from a number of nations who’ve labored with Up with Individuals both long run or on particular occasions.

A number of Up with Individuals albums have been produced in Britain, with prime technicians and arrangers introduced collectively by David Mackay, a very long time collaborator. Mackay has a powerful assortment of gold and platinum albums to his credit score, together with manufacturing of the New Seekers’ worldwide hit, “I might Wish to Train the World to Sing.” One author Mackay introduced in was John Parr, co-writer of “St. Elmo’s Fireplace, and in addition David Mallory, considered one of France’s most profitable pop/rock songwriters who created many of the hits of megastar Johnny Hallyday, generally referred to as the French Elvis Presley.

Tyler: You talked about the Colwells have written many songs in numerous languages and dialects? How do they go about offering this type of worldwide style to their music?

Frank: After they’ve written songs in different languages it is nearly at all times been with individuals from the world. There are a selection of tales within the ebook about this. As an example, as soon as they have been touring with Rajmohan Gandhi, the grandson of Mahatma Gandhi, to the south of India to affix within the land reform efforts of Vinoba Bhave, Gandhi’s disciple and the person thought to be his religious successor. At a practice station in Bombay they chanced to fulfill a senator buddy of Rajmohan who helped them write a tune in Marathi, the mom tongue of Maharashtra state the place they have been heading the following day. After a dusty 12-hour street journey in 117-degree warmth in a 20-year outdated seven-passenger Plymouth that they had mastered the tune. Arriving to fulfill Vinoba Bhave, they hauled Ralph’s acoustic bass and their different devices out of the outdated automobile, and carried out within the Marathi language for the saint and 1000’s of his followers. Vinoba Bhave used the phrases of their tune because the theme of his deal with to the gang.

Tyler: Musically, what do you’re feeling makes “Up With Individuals” stand out from different teams?

Frank: I feel it has been the content material of the songs, plus their intent. They speak of taking down partitions of bewilderment, of excelling, of transferring towards new frontiers. The songs are drawn from life. One, “The Final Embrace,” was impressed by a PBS particular a few bridge that spanned the no man’s land between warfare zones in Kosovo, and a Christian boy and Moslem lady who had fallen in love, and died from gunfire on the bridge making an attempt to cross it collectively. Many songs have been written for particular events, for particular individuals. A mirrored image by Captain Eugene Cernan, the final man to stroll on the moon, that he had seemed again on the earth and seen “a world with out borders,” impressed the visionary lyrics of “MoonRider.” Paul Colwell and Herb Allen’s “Track for China” opened hearts and doorways in China when an Up with Individuals solid went there in 1978 earlier than diplomatic relations have been established between China and the U.S.

Tyler: Frank, what do you’re feeling is Herb Allen and the Colwell Brothers’ best contribution?

Frank: Might I reply that in two components? The primary could be a private response. These 4 have enriched the lives of many. They’re enjoyable to be with, by no means take themselves too severely, and by no means, by no means get carried away with the PR about them. They’re fast to deflect credit score and provides it to others, and I’ve by no means heard them declare to have brought on constructive issues to occur due to their work. In fact I do know in any other case, however they’d hit the “delete” button on any “spin” I may need tried to slide into the ebook. Okay, now to half two:

To me their best contribution could be the demonstration of the facility of music to generate change. They usually wrote and carried out not simply any music, however music that touched lives, was drawn from what was vital to individuals, and from what they noticed round them. They by no means got down to inform others what they need to assume or do. Quite the opposite, they went all over the place to pay attention, to be taught, and to grasp. Consequently, doorways and hearts appeared to open to them all over the place. You would possibly say that Up with Individuals is their legacy. I feel to them it’s far more than a present or group; it’s proof to younger and outdated of what the nice English educator Edward Thring declared 150 years in the past, that music “ultimately is the nice world bond.”

Tyler: Thanks, Frank, for becoming a member of me immediately. Earlier than we go, would you inform our readers your web site the place they’ll purchase a duplicate of the ebook and in addition what different form of data they may discover there about “A Track for the World?”

Frank: Go to You’ll be able to order the ebook there, learn evaluations, be taught which cities are scheduled to be visited for live shows and ebook signings, and see lots of the images from the ebook. Thanks very a lot for having me immediately, Tyler.

Tyler: Thanks, Frank. I want you a number of luck with “A Track for the World” and I hope it introduces the Colwells and Allen to a complete new technology of followers.

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